Refuting Mormons on Paul's "2 or 3 witnesses" verses

Q: When Mormons use "2 or 3 witnesses" gathered in convos, are they using it deceptively to push their false teachings? 

A: Let's look at the verses

"Do not receive an accusation against an elder except on the basis of two or three witnesses." 1 Timothy 5:19

"Every fact is to be confirmed by the testimony of two or three witnesses." 2 Corinthians 13:1

OK. But what's the context? Thats what you need to know, so they can't twist it in convos. And so you can control and guide the conversation. 

Remember, Mormonism twists the words of what the Bible says and means. For example, the Bible teaches "elders" are Pastors. Men God gifted to teach and shepherd the local church. In Mormonism it means the young 18-20 year old missionaries who knock on doors. They also twist many very important words/terms Christians use, so that when we talk with them, they'll agree with us, because they're looking at the words your saying based on their definition. So your speaking truth truth, but they're holding to false definitions, so they're not receiving what you're actually saying. They're blind to the truth. Unless you explain what you mean for every word/term; then they'll disagree with you. They dont usually know thr true definition of those words, cuz their religion redefined them, to fit their false teachings. 

On matters of conversations with Mormons or any other cult (incl Islam), theyre not Christian, nor have the true God, true Jesus and true Gospel. You cannot have convos where they think we're both talking about the true Church or claiming we're both Christians [or claiming we have the same God]. Only we born again ones are of the true Church, we are the true Bride, we are the true Christians. Not them. 

Mormons use verses out of context to peddle their false teachings, books & cult - to decieve. Even if the cultists is oblivious that they're doing so, (having been taught lies by their cult). 

Cultists are ignorant, have not the indwelling Holy Spirit. They're not Christian, (they just maaqurade as if they are). So they count on naive people, (even "professing" Christians they encounter) to not even know the Bible. Thats why they can twist and manipulate conversations & people. Just like Satan their father, the father of lies, whose goal is to steal, kill and destroy, so too do these of his try to dupe, deceive & damn you. 

Also, stop saying things like "2 or 3 witnesses" or "when 2 or 3 are gathered"... it's NOT ABOUT believers gathering together. It's about --> church discipline! If you're in a "church" teaching it's about people gathering or claiming the Holy Spirit is there when 2 or 3 are together - FLEE that false church. They're manipulating verses to push false teaching. God is already inside every believer. He is always present regardless if any other believers are around you.

Cultists/Islamists do not have a witness, nor are they witnesses, they're not people of God. 

And as to these cultists, they're banking on you not knowing what the verses are about, so they can try to shift you from "the Authority of God's Word" (the Bible), over to their false so called new revelations/book(s). Just like Islam tries to do. Just like Satan did in Eden. Don't let them shift authority to their book/beliefs. 

The Bible is accurate. We have archeology and history as external evidence showing its true. Things cults never anticipated when they were created (same with Islam). They [the Bible's 66 books] "are fully trustworthy", and all the earliest church fathers writings confirm it, and could recreate the Bible "if every other copies of the Bible was collected worldwide and destroyed". So when cults/Islam say "we only trust the Bible as far as it is true" ... it doesn't matter what they think. It is all true, none of it ever refuted, (& archeology kerps unearthing more evidence of its truths). And God has preserved His Word perfectly over time. He is all powerful- able to do so, and has done so! 

The book or Mormon & even Islam, their books have no history backing it up. Nor any witnesses. Just 1 dude claiming God revealed something to him. And it's all lies. The Bible however was written by 40 men moved by God over what 1500 years? And they all agree with each other. However cults/Islam have one person claiming revelations and writing whole religious texts from it. It doesnt agree with Scripture, thus they're liars. God's only given Word to mankind (the 66 books) is true. It is the only one, and covers everything from creation to the end of time and also eternity future. So- do not listen to cultists and false religions and the words of their demonic books. They've all been proven phoney falsehoods. 

They just regurgitate what they were taught to say, in training, to go deceive people. They dont read and study the Bible on their own, they have no desire for it, to know it's truths, nor desire to follow the truth; Gid is not in them nor with them. They dont examine these truths before going into training to go out as young people to go decieve others with their subtle words of trickery. Jesus spoke about these people - they're of the kind who whether near or far, are willing to travel even over the seas to find one convert and all they do is "make them twice the sons of Hell that they themselves are". The cults push young folk out to push their religions deceptions because if they waited until they were older, they might find out its a false religion and have no one to go propogandize to lure into their cult. 

They do not know God (YHWH) nor follow the real Jesus, nor received the true Gospel. 

As to the Bible passages noted: 

Paul’s reference to “two or three witnesses” appears in several New Testament passages, especially 1 Timothy 5:19, 2 Corinthians 13:1, and 1 Corinthians 5:1–13 as a related passage about church discipline. 

The key question is how the biblical requirement for witnesses relates to church discipline, accusations against church leaders, and the protection of the church from false charges. 

Paul is balancing two responsibilities: protecting elders from unjust accusations and holding elders accountable when wrongdoing is established.